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Re: Li-ion capacity vs. discharge rate+wearcomp ISR efficiency

From: Steve Mann <>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:17:26 -0500 (EST)

> I've been using the Sony Li-ion batteries for a couple of weeks, and
> have been disappointed with their capacity.  Generally, its been 60% -
> 70% of what I expected.  But I think I've found a potential problem with
> Lithium Ion batteries.  I went out browsing for more info and found a
> page that compares battery capacity to discharge rate:
> 
>   http://www.pcim.com/arc/art0006/freeman1.htm
> 
> My wearable now uses 5-6 watts per hour and at that rate I am drawing
> 1-1.5amps from a single Li-ion battery (I've been only using one so
> far).  Based on the graph in the above page, @1.5A the Li-ions have only
> about 85% of the capacity they are rated at.  Compounded with the fact
> that I found out the DC-DC isolator I have been using from Datel is only
> 75% efficient gives me roughly 13.5 watts from a 21watt battery. :-\

since your current drain is high, consider using 2 batteries as this will
reduce the current draw, and hence more than double lifetime, as it
moves down the curve toward optimal drain rate.  (batteries meant for
camcorders, less drain).

> I think the way to fix this is to switch to a DC-DC converter with 14v
> (2 Li-ion in series) battery side and get a more efficent converter. 
> This will reduce the current from 1.5A to 0.75A which raises the
> capacity of the batteries from 85% to 95%, and Datel has a new DC-DC
> converter that is >90% efficient (although I'm still waiting for someone
> to call me back about availability and pricing).

consider the powertrends converter described in
http://wearcam.org/wearhow/node11.html

if you find something better, please let me know so i can test it out
and then update the http://wearcam.org/wearhow/index.html site.

> Also, I have been surpised by the wide range of voltages these Li-ions
> run at.  They start fully charged around 8.5V and slowly drop to 6V,
> which makes managing power a little crazy.

that's why the regulators are recommended in the wearcomp design.

> -Paul
> -- 
> R. Paul McCarty / DARS Coordinator /  / x52059
> 317 Lattimore Hall, University of Rochester, Rochester, NY 14627
> Computers don't make mistakes;what they do,they do on purpose.-Dale/KOTH

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